MHD Turbulence Cascade

March 27, 2026·
Xinyu Li
Xinyu Li
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Consider the ideal incompressible MHD wave governed by the equations

$$\begin{aligned} \frac{\partial \vec{v}}{\partial t}+\vec{v}\cdot \nabla\vec{v}&=&\vec{B}\cdot\nabla\vec{B}\\ \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}+\vec{v}\cdot \nabla\vec{B}&=&\vec{B}\cdot\nabla\vec{v}. \end{aligned}$$

If we write $\vec{B}=\vec{B}_0+\vec{b}$, and introduce Elsasser variables $\vec{z}^{\pm} = \vec{v}\pm\vec{b}$, the above equations can be formulated into

$$\begin{aligned} \frac{\partial \vec{z}^{\pm}}{\partial t}\mp \vec{B}_0\cdot \nabla\vec{z}^{\pm}+\vec{z}^{\mp}\cdot \nabla\vec{z}^{\pm}=0. \end{aligned}$$

It can be easily seen that nonlinear interactions can only occur between two different modes $z^{+}$ and $z^{-}$.

Let $v$ be the amplitude of the wave, by dimensional analysis $d v/d t \sim v\cdot \nabla v\sim k_{\perp} v^2$. Where the perpendicular direction is relative to the direction of $\vec{B}_0$. For a shear Alfven wave, the perturbation direction of $\vec{v}$ and $\vec{b}$ are both perpendicular, while the group velocity is parallel. Also by dimensional analysis $d^2 v/d t^2 \sim d(k_\perp v^2)/d t \sim k_{\perp}^2 v^3$.

$$\begin{aligned} \frac{d v}{d t}\sim k_\perp v^2,\quad\frac{d^2 v}{d t^2}\sim k_\perp^2 v^3. \end{aligned}$$

The change of $v$ in a given time interval $\delta t$ is $\delta v = k_\perp v^2 \delta t +k_\perp^2 v^3 (\delta t)^2/2$. The 1st term $k_\perp v^2$, since it involves $v^2$, is a three-wave interaction term. In Fourier space, it describes the change of a wave with momentum $p$ from the interaction of two waves with momentum $q$ and $p-q$. The 2nd term $k_\perp^2 v^3$, involving $v^3$, is a four-wave interaction term. For the three wave interaction, the three waves can’t all be Alfven wave, for energy and momentum conservations can’t be both satisfied from the dispersion relation $\omega = v_A k$.

For the collision of two Alven wave packets with size $1/k_z$ and $1/k_\perp$ in parallel and perpendicular directions. The collision time is ~$(k_z v_A)^{-1}$. For three-wave interaction, $\delta v\sim d v/d t (k_z v_A)^{-1}\sim k_\perp v^2/(k_z v_A)$. And for four-wave interaction $\delta v\sim d^2 v/d t^2 (k_z v_A)^{-2}\sim k_\perp^2 v^3/(k_z v_A)$.

$$\begin{aligned} \frac{\delta v}{v}&\sim& \frac{k_\perp v}{k_z v_A}\quad \textrm{for three-wave interaction}\\ \frac{\delta v}{v}&\sim& \left(\frac{k_\perp v}{k_z v_A}\right)^2 \quad \textrm{for four-wave interaction}. \end{aligned}$$

For the collision of two Alven wave packets with size $1/k_z$ and $1/k_\perp$ in parallel and perpendicular directions. The collision time is ~$(k_z v_A)^{-1}$. For three-wave interaction, $\delta v\sim d v/d t (k_z v_A)^{-1}\sim k_\perp v^2/(k_z v_A)$. And for four-wave interaction $\delta v\sim d^2 v/d t^2 (k_z v_A)^{-2}\sim k_\perp^2 v^3/(k_z v_A)$.

$$\begin{aligned} \frac{\delta v}{v}&\sim& \frac{k_\perp v}{k_z v_A}\quad \textrm{for three-wave interaction}\\ \frac{\delta v}{v}&\sim& \left(\frac{k_\perp v}{k_z v_A}\right)^2 \quad \textrm{for four-wave interaction}. \end{aligned}$$

In our paper, $v_A=c$, $(k_z v_A)^{-1}\sim \lambda/c$, and we expect $k_\perp\approx k_z$, and $v\sim cA/\lambda \sim s_0 c$.

$$\begin{aligned} t_d &\sim& s_0^2\frac{\lambda}{c}\quad \textrm{for three-wave interaction}\\ t_d &\sim& s_0^4\frac{\lambda}{c}\quad \textrm{for four-wave interaction}. \end{aligned}$$

I think the above argument can well apply to normal hydrodynamics by just replacing $v_A$ with the fluid speed to get the damping rate for collision of two waves. Nothing special of MHD is assumed here.

In (Thompson & Blaes 1998) for the relativistic MHD, they denote $\xi$ for the displacement and wirte $\xi = \xi_{+}+\xi_{-}+\xi_{I}$, where $\pm$ denotes the wave propagating along two lightcones $z_\pm = z\pm t$ and $I$ for the transverse direction. $\xi_{\pm}$ are similar to Elsasser variable. Three-wave interactions ($A+A\rightarrow F$) occur when $\xi_+$ and $\xi_-$ collide and cascade to $\xi_I$. The dynamical equation is

$$\begin{aligned} (\partial _t^2-\partial _z^2)\xi_{I}-\nabla_\perp(\nabla_\perp\cdot \xi_I)=2\nabla_\perp (\xi'_+\cdot\xi'_-). \end{aligned}$$

Here $\xi'_\pm =\partial_\mp \xi_\pm= (\partial_{z}\mp\partial_{t})\xi_\pm$. Then they consider a $\xi_-$ wave is at rest (at const $z_-$) and a $\xi_+$ wave passing through it, so what is the change of $\xi_+$. The $\xi_-$ wave is injected into a box of size $L$, while on both ends, $\xi_-\neq 0$. They argue that the change in $\xi_+$ integrated over the collision is equal to the asymptotic value of $\xi_I$ at $z$ and $t$ large compared to the collision coordinates’’ (which I don’t quite understand). Assume that, they can write

$$\begin{aligned} \delta \xi'_+(z_-,x_\perp) = \frac{1}{2}(\partial_z-\partial_t)\xi_I(z,t,x_\perp)\quad (z,t\rightarrow\infty). \end{aligned}$$$$\begin{aligned} \delta \xi'_+(z_-,x_\perp) &=& -\frac{1}{2}\int d z_+(\partial^2_z-\partial^2_t)\xi_I\\ &=& -\frac{1}{2}\int d z_+\nabla_\perp(\partial_-\xi_+\cdot\partial_+\xi_-)\\ &=& -\frac{1}{2}\nabla_\perp(\xi'_+\cdot\Delta\xi_-). \end{aligned}$$

$\Delta \xi_- = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} d z_+\partial_+\xi_-$. From dimensional analysis of above equations $\delta\xi'_+/\xi'_+\sim k_\perp \Delta \xi_-$. Then they argue that in their setting up of boundary conditions, when the $\xi_+$ wave propagates through the box of length $L$, then $\Delta \xi_-\sim\xi$. Therefore, $\delta \xi'/\xi'\sim k_\perp\xi$. Then they get the damping time $t_d/(L/c)\sim (k_\perp \xi)^{-2}$. Compared with previous results for three-wave interaction, this expression just replaces $(k_z v_A)^{-1}$ by $L/c$. All the confusions come from their set-up of the physical picture. The description is vague and they admit that if you impose a wave packet where displacement on the boundary is 0 as in (Goldreich & Sridhar 1997), $\Delta\xi_-$ vanishes. I think they just try to set up a scenario that their approximation and estimation can work.

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Xinyu Li is an assistant professor in the Department of Astronomy, Tsinghua University. He is fond of discovering fundamental physical laws from the vast observation of various astrophysical objects. His research areas are high energy astrophysics, plasma astrophysics and cosmology. His research topics cover a broad range of physical scales: from the smallest fundamental particles like electrons and ultralight axions, to neutron stars, black holes and galaxies, and to the largest scale structure of the universe.